2 ([info]2_gryphon) wrote,
@ 2008-11-30 12:40:00
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So, at MFF, someone asked me an interesting question while I was selling DVDs at my table. He said, "So, what's it like to be famous?" I don't think I'd ever been asked that before. I gave him an immediate answer of, "It's fucking great!" But I also promised him I'd think about it and give a more detailed answer later.

So, to answer the question, there are some very interesting and particular oddities you begin to notice in other people when you're famous. Here are a few strange things I've noticed that "unfamous" people might not get the chance to observe.

1. The small amount of people who come to me and say, "I just want to apologize. I know you're supposed to be somebody famous, but I have no idea who you are." It doesn't bother me when folks do this, but it does confuse me. If they didn't know who I was, then why would they need to make a point to let me know they didn't know who I was? Weird, eh?

2. The people who say things like, "I just don't know why so many people listen to you." The obvious answer is because that person is doing something a lot of other people want to pay attention to. In fact, it's SUCH an obvious answer that there's just no reason to ask, unless what you're really trying to say is, "You don't deserve all that attention, doucheball!" And the only reason that would bother anyone is if they wanted that kind of attention too. These people don't bother me either. I just wish they'd use the inspiration to do something THEY believe deserves a lot of attention, instead of being pissed at others who already have it.

3. The way people meet me. The most common way people introduce themselves to me is to "fanboy" me. The second most common way is to "anti-fanboy" me, (i.e. "I know you're supposed to be hot shit, but I don't care. I never listen to anything you do and to me, you're just an ordinary cuntbag."). And finally, the least common way is to shake my hand and say, "Hi! My name is..."

The first way doesn't bother me. I appreciate fans. But I wish some of them would remember that I live, eat, breath, and sleep comedy. Can't we talk about something ELSE? The second way is just silly. It's making a big deal out of not making a big deal. And besides, I *do* care about what I do, so when someone says they don't give a shit about my work.... well, that's not going to make a good impression. The third way is my favorite. Unfortunately, it hardly ever happens.

Of course, these are just strange things I've noticed in people. The great majority of folks are very friendly and polite to me! They ask interesting questions. They have encouraging comments. I never expected to wind up being "famous", but I have to say that you guys have made it a wonderful experience for the most part!

Here's something I thought some folks might be interested in. I started a new show, just for Fur Affinity. It's a news show to highlight the things going on in the furry art world. Go check it out, if you like!

www.furaffinity.net/user/2gryphon/


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[info]malcolmthebear
2008-11-30 06:36 pm UTC (link)
As far as others acting out because of secret jealousy for you being famous and them not...I can relate to that attitude myself. I used to get really jealous of others who get so much more attention...but it's really just rooted in my own anger at myself for not doing as much as I know I could. People don't get famous for sitting around and doing nothing--people are famous for accomplishing great things. And you gotta accomplish a lot of little mundane things before you ever accomplish anything great. So, yeah...I'm not really jealous of others for being more famous anymore. I just need to do more myself if I want recognition.

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[info]raverfunx
2008-11-30 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Just because you are "big" in the furry fandom, doesn't really make you "famous" by any means. I mean, if there weren't a furry fandom, where would you be?

As far as people introducing themselves to you, my opinion could be skewed, but perhaps the reason people are so 'intimidated' per say is because certainly don't seem to walk around like you are "just an ordinary guy". You call yourself famous, walk the walk and talk the talk, people are going to treat you as such, really.

As for myself, I've been introduced to you before by a friend, and I was just taken aback because I was being treated like a fan right off the bat. Could have been bad timing, could have been me as well, who knows. My experience just leaves me to believe it works both ways as well.

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[info]pathia
2008-11-30 07:25 pm UTC (link)
Fame is relative. There are plenty of instances of this, like take for example niche actors or authors. The vast majority of the public has NO idea who they are, but in their own sci/fantasy/anime/*.* fandoms they're famous.

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(no subject) - [info]doodlesthegreat, 2008-11-30 07:46 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]preyfar, 2008-11-30 08:53 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sanityangel, 2008-12-01 02:03 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]2_gryphon, 2008-12-01 12:57 am UTC (Expand)

[info]geoson
2008-11-30 06:39 pm UTC (link)
So how was the meals?

XD

Change of topic is also something to talk about^^

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[info]trashwolf
2008-11-30 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Yay for more shows.

Will there be more Gryphon & the Weasel?

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-12-01 12:57 am UTC (link)
There will be!

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(no subject) - [info]poinktferret, 2008-12-01 01:28 am UTC (Expand)

[info]pathia
2008-11-30 06:52 pm UTC (link)
The few times we talked in the past I always tried to stick to the two P's instead of comedy, porn and politics. ;-)

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[info]doodlesthegreat
2008-11-30 07:48 pm UTC (link)
Actually, politics can tread a bit too close to comedy was well. Just ask Jon Stewart.

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[info]maikujaku
2008-11-30 06:53 pm UTC (link)
What a cool insight into the mind of a gryphon.

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[info]eagle_beagle
2008-11-30 06:59 pm UTC (link)
i got a few folks come up to me at the con since they recognised me from FPS, just feels odd here. I dont think of myself as a famous person, not sure what to think of it.

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[info]skippyfox
2008-12-02 12:37 am UTC (link)
You're definitely famous. I saw you at AC 04 (or 05?) in the con ops room and I was like HUAH. IT'S THAT GUY. FROM MEGAPLEX.

Compare to when I was watching Cellular and noticed William H. Macy and his beautiful new mustache: HUAH. IT'S THAT GUY. FROM AIR FORCE ONE.

Clearly only famous persons will get that kind of reaction.

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[info]karnalis
2008-11-30 07:48 pm UTC (link)
In that case, I'm glad I greeted you the third way at Oklacon, back in '04. :)

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[info]lynard_
2008-11-30 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Hm..... i think i would use Number three with a 'Hi, my name is Lynard, nice to meet you' but this year at EF i was simply too exhausted to do so (and too drunk after the PPS), so i could simply sit at Dragonys table and watch you talking with her, Mr. Bunny *g*

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[info]kryphos
2008-11-30 07:56 pm UTC (link)
I spent a large amount of time with Preyfar at conventions if we happen to be attending the same one. We at least spent a whole night having drinks and telling stories and we also go out to eat at least a couple times while we're at the con. I'll tell you one thing, we sure as hell don't talk about art with each other.

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[info]preyfar
2008-11-30 08:54 pm UTC (link)
We just talk RAGING MAN SEX! Unfa unfa unfa. And cameras.

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(no subject) - [info]cyriljackal, 2008-12-03 04:20 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]restorf
2008-11-30 08:14 pm UTC (link)
I try so hard not to go fanboy around you, but I do have a lot of respect for you views on anything in general. I still remember inadvertently committing the first one, not knowing who the hell you were when you sat down nearby. It wasn't until you had a long line of friends, admirers, fanboys, etc that I began to realize who you were.

While I was a bit embarrassed, I didn't think it warranted an apology. *chuckle*

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[info]furfoxmccloud
2008-11-30 08:14 pm UTC (link)
Meehehe...

I would be one person who would like to meet you. I tried on Eurofurence 12 but you were alway on the run somewhere or in the midst of a large crowd.

I would gladly shake your hand, say "Hi, I'm FoxMcCloud." and talk to you. And yep, I would gladly talk to you about the things you do, because I agree with you in many topics and in others I don't and I think that it could be an interesting conversation. :D

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[info]doodlesthegreat
2008-11-30 08:22 pm UTC (link)
#1 is actually easy to explain. These are people who have a sense that you have made a difference in their life, but are unable to enunciate it clearly without some form of reminder. Here's an example:

Last Monday I was at a screening of "The Tale of Despereaux." (Nice movie, needs a little tightening storywise.) When it was over, there was a Q & A session with the directors of the movie, one of whom I already knew and the other a person whose name rung a bell in my mind but I couldn't recall where. Then the host mentioned that the second man was also the writer/ director of the film "Pleasantville," which is one of my favorite movies of the past decade. So I was only by luck able to thank the man for his work and for the effect it had on my life.

So those folks who are group #1 may not know why, but they're trying to explain that you have done something important to them.

P.S.

As far as the FA:N show goes - Time to call the WHAAAAAAMBULANCE. =};-3

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[info]albinoblackwolf
2008-11-30 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Well Hello there 2, i am Albino Blackwolf...So, how was your day? Good? Thats good? Love the rants by the way! Yeah you have a nice one to!

There a nice virtual conversation you can interject anything into such as "FUCK YO COUCH!!!" after the how was your day.

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[info]dennisthetiger
2008-11-30 08:26 pm UTC (link)
I figure the least common way is probably the semi-optimal way - it's how I'd meet, say, David Gilmour or someone of that caliber. I mean, hell, yer in the limelight, but that doesn't make you any less human - or superhuman, for that matter. It just means you're a clever bastard that caught somebody's attention, and that you have the means to let the rest of the world know. =)

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[info]rhanlav
2008-11-30 08:33 pm UTC (link)
FA:News was a great idea, 2. I really enjoyed the artwork you pointed out for awards. So thanks.

--Salen

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[info]wingywoof
2008-11-30 08:38 pm UTC (link)
I was uploading old pictures to my new Flickr account the other day and I came across this:


I looked at the photo (from MFF 2002) and thought,

"Man, why did I ever take that photo. I'm embarrassed."

It's not a candid shot and I can tell it was right after your show that night. For all intents and purposes I might as well said,

"Excuse me Mr. 2? You're so funny! Can I get a picture with you?"

Being the nice guy that you are, you obliged me and, after a giggle and a snort, I thanked you. You had made my day.

That was six years ago and, my treatment not withstanding, I don't think you've let your ego get away from you. Do you ever worry that people treat you differently than others? Do you worry about disappointing others?

Famous is a relative term. I'm proud that you've had some success outside of the fandom and hope that things continue to open up for ya if you explore that further, but I wouldn't go as far to say that you're famous outside of our little group just yet.

You keep working as hard as you have been and I, like so many others, will continue to enjoy what you produce.

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[info]jinxtigger
2008-11-30 08:47 pm UTC (link)
I just enjoyed trying to be nice to you, even if it didn't amount to anything. I figure I got enough laughs off you (I own 'The Truth') that you earned it :)

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[info]mbluewolf
2008-11-30 09:48 pm UTC (link)
To me, you are famous. You have shows on the Internet, done real life shows, and have a lot of fans. I think the fans make the person famous, but the person of course needs to be around for the fans. It's like a circle. Anyway, you have done things I wish I could do, but are too hesitant to do. That's why I think you are famous.

With meeting you, I'd be the fourth guy. The one that stands behind someone who knows you while they introduce me to you. I'd be too scared to go up to you and say hi and shake your hand right off the bat. I've had a hard time emailing you before. I over think things a lot. "Should I send this? Did I say this right? What would he say in response?" I think about all of them. I've thought about those questions with emailing anyone that has done things for the 2 Sense show.

Anyway, was the Portal voice thing from the Extra Sense episodes a foreshadowing of FA:N, or was FA:N just something you randomly thought up that would be cool?

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[info]sanityangel
2008-12-01 02:07 am UTC (link)
One of these days I'll find a way to drag you to a fur con and we can try hiding behind each other greeting people!

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[info]foxtrack
2008-11-30 11:48 pm UTC (link)
I think I greeted you the third way when I first met back at califur 0. and talking with you is always a good bit of stimulation for my brain.

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[info]keenyfox
2008-11-30 11:48 pm UTC (link)
I was one of the rare ones who said "Hi!" to you at AC this year, and then I brought up the subject of The Book Of Bunny Suicides. It is interesting and you learn a lot speaking to people face to face as opposed to just watching their videos online.

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[info]origamigryphon
2008-12-01 12:44 am UTC (link)
Now that I read this, I can't help but wonder what was running through your head when my brother and I met you at Anthrocon this year. We saw you twice, actually--in and out of my shoebill suit (three times if you count that one run-in in the elevator XD).

Out of suit, after the comedy skit with Uncle Kage, Jibba and the guys, I remember I said that 'as a fellow gryphon, I appreciate your work.'

And in suit, I had my brother with me, who also is a fan of yours, greeted you with a handshake that probably felt a little funny, because of the condition of his arm and hand. Long story short, it was reattached after almost being severed. It only made my respect for you go up that much more when you took it for what it was and didn't give it a second thought, with a smile that couldn't be faked.

I hope that we didn't come off as -too- fanboy or fangirlish. X3 It was a first time experience for both of us, and we are very grateful for the picture you took with us.

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[info]drzarron
2008-12-01 03:25 am UTC (link)
I have an old one panel cartoon I keep over my desk that says "There are place where my name is VERY well know... unfortunately there aren't very well known places."

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[info]trashwolf
2008-12-01 03:26 am UTC (link)
Personally I don't give a crap about people because they're famous. I don't respect people because other people do.

Only way is if I enjoy their work. I respect, say, Jørn Lande, because he's a fantastic singer, but, you have Madonna who's 10x more famous, and I wouldn't give a shit if she parked in our driveway and asked if she could stay for the night.

And thus, I respect 2, because his work is good and usually extremely funny to me, his music is good and his opinions are reasonable and usually not moronic. I would respect him just as much if he was some unknown 30 guy who lived in our neighbors basement.

That's all that matters to me. I acknowledge him for what he's done so far in his life. I would want the same. I wouldn't want people to come up to me and ask me to sign stuff or things or take their picture with me because I'm "just famous", but because they'd acknowledge my work.

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[info]eagle_bird
2008-12-01 04:24 am UTC (link)
I remember when I met you at AC08.
I introduced myself, and made a crack at the guy that didn't seem to shutup XD

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