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Flaming God Nipples.
Now, I don't want to start any kind of flame war here (or do I? Muahahahaha!!!), but in light of recent events in California, I have to question a few things.

No, I'm not talking about prop 8. I'm talking about the wild fires that have destroyed around 120 homes now. The fire started Thursday and has wiped out some 1200 acres at this point, including a lot of homes.

Do I feel any sympathy toward these homeowners? Sure I do. In the same way I feel sympathy for some twat-waffle that builds his home on a railroad track or the side of an active volcano. I feel sorry for them that they didn't get professional, psychological help when they obviously needed it.

If these homes were in a place where fires didn't sweep through and decimate every living thing on a yearly fucking basis, I might feel differently. And if New Orleans wasn't an entire town built on the coast, BELOW SEA LEVEL, I might have felt sorry for them too.

Human beings might be able to bend the Earth to their desires, but they can't seem to get it through their heads that they can't stop nature! Fires, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes and earthquakes are not going to say, "Whoops! Humans here. I'll just go around. Have a nice day, cuntbags!"

A bit of simple advice...

Stop building your fucking houses in the paths of natural disasters!!!! If the home you're buying is brand new because the one that was sitting there before got swallowed into the very bowels of the Earth and chewed on by Satan himself, then DON'T BUY THE FUCKING THING! What, do you keep your brain in a fucking jar?


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[info]luthiennenharma
2008-11-15 03:46 pm UTC (link)
Hehe, first comment ^^

And I agree. You'd think they'd have learned by now. "Oh look, a fire goes through here every year, let's start building, hon"

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[info]alexf0x
2008-11-15 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Same thing here, it's idiot housing developers building houses on known flood plains, and hey lets help the problem by removing the soak away too! *faceplam*

And people wonder why flood damage keeps getting worse.

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[info]eagle_beagle
2008-11-15 04:00 pm UTC (link)
i was gonna say the same, especially with new orleans area. Unless they have sufficient money to build enough protection for the area i wouldn't chance it. i hope they have good insurance.

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[info]mr_maigo
2008-11-15 03:49 pm UTC (link)
EVERY FUCKING YEAR!

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[info]shiny_puppy
2008-11-15 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Well, its good to know I'm not the only one who feels that its their own god damn fault for being fuckin' idiots.

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[info]todd_riverden
2008-11-15 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Well, lets be fair here. a LOT of those 'fires' that happen in CA are not caused by nature but with some asshole looking for some thrill of watching things burn. Oh the dumb ass who thinks starting a camp fire right next to that nice dry vegetation would be a fine idea.

Yes, some of the fires are caused by nature but more of them are caused by stupid and some down right evil humans. I can just head nature going "Hey, don't look at me."

True though that if you build a home in a KNOWN area where this happens then your asking for it. But I guess it's one of those 'you have to be there' type things.

I myself would love a home in the forest just like people love having homes in the mountains.

So I would have to say there's some equal blame on the people who build there homes there and the assholes who's only friend is a lit match.

Todd.

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-11-15 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Hey, homes in the forest are cool! And there are loads of forests in the US that don't catch on fire every year.

True, some of the causes of the fires in Cali are natural and some of them aren't. But either way, they burn down all the time! Forests in California have caught on fire by some means every year since the dawn of man. Doesn't it seem like a rather stupid place to store everything you own?

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[info]kensan_oni
2008-11-15 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Now let's be a little fair. Southern California is dry. Really dry. All these pictures of Green LA are a lie. They really are. We could have a Wildfire burn down the Hollywood Sign anyday now. Yeah, wildfires can pop up just about anywhere in So Cal.

Now, there are a couple of places that I wouldn't buy in, just like you don't buy a house on the cliffs of Malibu, or live without flood insurance in Bakersfield. However, the Wild Grass situation is such that there is hardly anyplace in So Cal (And North Cal, for that matter) that doesn't catch on fire. It's like living in Tornado Alley in it's own way. Every year, something is going to catch on fire...

And what is just bat insane is that one fire will be started completely by accident. Electrial storm, Sunlight focused through water, whatever. But once one fire gets started, the Pyromaniacs get started, and they go out and set three more fires. It's bat gonzo insane. Back in 2005? 2004? LA was completely encircled with a ring of fire because of these bat gonzo people.

Well, in anycase, people got to live somewhere. If they don't do enough work to make sure that dead brush is cleared away from their homes, that's the people I don't feel pity for. You want to live out where it's pretty, you gotta do the labor to keep doing so.

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[info]cortezopossum
2008-11-15 04:41 pm UTC (link)
Wasn't there some case of a volunteer firefighter who wanted work so he started a fire or two so he'd be 'called in for duty'.

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[info]terridelgado
2008-11-15 03:53 pm UTC (link)
Maybe its a huge scam.

The individuals who build bring people in to live with the promise that if they take out a fire insurance policy that they will have an 85% chance of being able to collect on said policy since the area is known for getting wildfires.

So they get their insurance moneys and move to Alaska.

And the builders get insurance moneys and invest part of it to rebuild and pocket the rest to wait for the next line of people.

But thats just me talking out my ass.

However, this crap has been happening since the settlement of California. How many times has a major city been burned down only to be rebuilt, and have the destruction swept under the rug? Not just fires, but earthquakes as well.

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[info]killerdetergent
2008-11-15 04:07 pm UTC (link)
Haha nice, that one way to put it.
I agree with you. If you build your house on firewood, its gunna burn. I don't get why people STAY there after things like that happen. You would think they would learn from it :P
That's why I'm never going to live in California! Expecially not after I watched a WHOLE video on the San Andreas Fault and the major earthquakes that happened over the past 100 years D:

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[info]psycocharmander
2008-11-15 04:10 pm UTC (link)
Obviously God is punishing California for banning gay marriage.

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[info]indref
2008-11-15 04:27 pm UTC (link)
THESE FOREST FIRES ARE A SLAP IN THE FACE

woah sorry, been playing wow too long.

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[info]foxtrack
2008-11-15 04:41 pm UTC (link)
ok, as that Not only do I live in socal, but also listen to the news radio that is good here, ie the john and ken show on kfi 640 am, I learned a lot about this recent fire. the thing is, this part of the area that is on fire now, hasn't been on fire in at least 40+ years. what happened is that when the fire started, the winds in the area, combined with the area being at the coast and how the temperature change as well as the wind currents with the ocean and coast changing as the sun sets; as it is, because of the way the weather in the area acts added in a lot of hot and dry air from a high pressure system; the heat was enough to let anything ignite and be pushed towards the homes after dark. as the fire burned, it caused a fire storm that litterly was causing homes to burst into flames well before the fires could even get near the homes. the air was that hot to the point of ignition without flame. and there was a LOT of people that had been in those homes since they were first built there and long ago paid off. middle class people that were not rich. those people sadly will never be able to move back to that area because of the current market cost. and with how bad the winds are at night at this time of year, the fire fighters could do very little as that the winds were at 70+mph and choppers can work in only up to 120 winds, so with it dark, smoky, unknown terrain, and extremely volatile winds, add in that because it is so hot, that even when dumping water, it is evaporated before it even hits anything and turned to steam. though after day break and during the day the winds did die down to near nothing and that allowed fire fighters to bring in fixed wing tankers to drop fire retardant and make a fire break line.

But as I said, this is an area that hasn't seen any fires in decades. fortunately, the residents had gone through a fire evacuation drill back in april just to be prepared in case it did happen and that helped to keep people from being panicked and not knowing what to do in such a situation.

because of the winds, the weather, and the extream heat, there was nothing that could have prevented the homes from burning outside of having major renovations done to install fire retardant materials, but as said, these homes have been around for decades.

sorry to disagree with you on this 2, but this isn't liek the morons that DO build in a fire danger area over and over again and do not clear brush away from their homes. This one was nature being on the rag. though she did miss hitting Oprah's palace in the area saddly.

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-11-15 04:57 pm UTC (link)
Okay, I did hear something about there not being a fire in that area for awhile. The news I heard said 30 years, which actually just made it that much more dangerous an area.

But the perspective I'm looking at it from is thus...

You know how often the forests in Arkansas burn down? Never! Just like the forests in the majority of the United States. I'm not saying it's stupid to want to live in a forest. But why would you pick one in a place that's always on fire? That's the part that doesn't make sense to me.

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A bit more often then never, actually - [info]jaffa_tamarin, 2008-11-15 05:05 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]nighthowl, 2008-11-15 09:42 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]foxtrack, 2008-11-17 02:39 am UTC (Expand)

[info]dadamiwolf
2008-11-15 04:56 pm UTC (link)
But... I want to be chewed on by Satan!

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[info]origamigryphon
2008-11-15 05:29 pm UTC (link)
I'm SO glad someone else thinks so! It makes my mind boggle (especially about New Orleans).

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[info]ransomdracalis
2008-11-15 05:34 pm UTC (link)
Harsh, man.

Last year, a good friend of mine who lives in California was evacuated from his home due to raging fires. If he could, he would be long the fuck gone out of that state, but simply can't afford to move. He can't sell his house and use that to cover moving expenses, because he isn't the owner. His income is just too low to allow him to do much more than fight off bill payments at the moment.

How about kids too? They don't have any say of where they live - it's up to their parents.

Forest fires can happen anywhere. No matter where you live, there's a chance you can be hit by some disaster: floods, tornadoes, blizzards, tidal waves, Godzilla... You name it.

It's also hypocritical, considering you lived in a place frequented by tornadoes. In that case, the last line of your post could also easily apply to you.

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[info]tombfyre
2008-11-15 06:00 pm UTC (link)
Yep, I feel the same damn way about all that. I've seen more than my fair share of stupid building sites up here as well. There were entire tracks of land up against the cliffs of our huge river, where the city told people not to build because the banks were unstable, and would likely erode away in a few years.

Sure enough, a bunch of rich assholes built there anyways. Man did they get pissy when their houses fell into the river a few years later. Fortunately the city just told them to go fuck themselves when they sought compensation from everyone they could.

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[info]angelprime
2008-11-15 06:03 pm UTC (link)
Ya'll should move to europe instead. Loads less disasters over here. Well, unless you count a profound lack of cheap fastfood and increasedly socialistic governments a disaster, ofcourse. . .

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[info]mialattia
2008-11-15 06:06 pm UTC (link)
2... 2, I have this great idea.

Here it is...

we rebuild New Orleans.

YEAH

Because that shows our TENACITY. HUMANS VS NATURE. Epic shit. This is an awesome idea. Yeah.

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[info]spazfox
2008-11-15 06:06 pm UTC (link)
Dude, you're seriously coming off sounding like one of those jackballs who thinks all of California is an urban dystopia of gangs, homosexuals, and the entire state being on fire. All opinions aside, you could tread a little more lightly around the subject of victims of tragedy. I don't think it makes your mom stupid for living with the possibility of her home being swept off to Oz in a tornado.

Understand that despite the suburban sprawl, California is covered in wild grass. To say that one shouldn't build their home in the danger zone would mean either abandoning the state or clearing out all brush everywhere.

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[info]makojin
2008-11-15 06:52 pm UTC (link)
So according to this logic, Kansas should ban all mobile homes. Holy cow, without that we'd HAVE no Kansas, for we know that that's all they have out there are mobile homes, and everytime there's a tornado they get wiped out. And then the Weather channel interviews the woman in a mu-mu and a shower cap over her curler-laden hair, wondering why things like this happen.

I left the coast thinking that I'm done with hurricanes. I was right, but now I dodge midwestern tornadoes. There's no escaping disaster, just some areas are more prone to it than others. You also hear about socal so much becasue the population there is so dense.

Literally... it's not just the valley.

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[info]thrashbear
2008-11-16 02:04 am UTC (link)
"...Holy cow, without that we'd HAVE no Kansas,..."

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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(no subject) - [info]katheralockhart, 2008-11-16 05:11 am UTC (Expand)
Now now.... - [info]granbear, 2008-11-25 04:08 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]thedisgrace
2008-11-15 07:32 pm UTC (link)
What California needs is moats.

A moat around every home. Yes sirree, moats.

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[info]cedar_musketeer
2008-11-15 08:19 pm UTC (link)
That doesn't help in a fire storm.

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[info]drleo
2008-11-15 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Oh, but it's already happened once, so it couldn't possibly happen again to US, RIGHT? Clearly now's the best time to buy!

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Sure, you can live there, but please....
[info]pegla
2008-11-15 07:58 pm UTC (link)
Now, the reason why people live near a volcano is because the soil there is extremely fertile, at least that was one of the reason why people moved to that place in the first place.

But what I don't get is that people who know the dangers of their surroundings are not prepared? Remember that fairytale about the 3 little pigs? Now imagine the pigs keeping on building houses of straw and wood while the wolf keeps on having fun blowing them down.

Now replace the wolf with a tornado.

So they live in an area where forest fires are likely. Sure, you can do that. Build a big swimming pool next to it (water supply AND fun), make sure the forest doesn't get close to your house. Do not make your house out of easily flammable materials. Living in Tornado Alley? Do not build your house out of lightweight materials, but out of heavy sturdy materials with angled walls.

Nothing wrong with living in an area with a heightened risk for natural disasters, but people, be prepared and adjust your houses, prepare yourself for the events that will eventually happen.

As for the more visual people amongst us:

If you live below sea-level, you should have this (Dutch Delta Works):


And not this (New Orleans 'levees') :


Same goes for earthquakes, fires and whatnot. We have the technology, we can live in area's where they occur. Just be prepared.

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Re: Sure, you can live there, but please....
[info]formula_fox
2008-11-16 11:02 pm UTC (link)
"Living in Tornado Alley? Do not build your house out of lightweight materials, but out of heavy sturdy materials with angled walls."

And build cars the same way: http://www.tornadostalker.com/2007/images/tiv-hp-sup.jpg

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Re: Sure, you can live there, but please.... - [info]pegla, 2008-11-17 07:22 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Sure, you can live there, but please.... - [info]formula_fox, 2008-11-17 07:25 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Sure, you can live there, but please.... - [info]pegla, 2008-11-17 08:55 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Sure, you can live there, but please.... - [info]formula_fox, 2008-11-17 04:13 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Sure, you can live there, but please.... - [info]pegla, 2008-11-17 04:44 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Sure, you can live there, but please.... - [info]formula_fox, 2008-11-17 04:49 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Sure, you can live there, but please.... - [info]pegla, 2008-11-17 05:21 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Sure, you can live there, but please.... - [info]formula_fox, 2008-11-17 05:39 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]luna_manar
2008-11-15 08:15 pm UTC (link)
No shit.

Unfortunately I am stuck on the Gulf Coast for the time being, and will be at least until my lease runs out. But I purposely chose a second-floor apartment, and a good thing I did, too, because last month we had a flash flood, and a lot of people lost a ton of crap on the first floor.

I wish I didn't have to live here at all, because it's so flat that no matter where you go, you're subject to floods. But that's where my job is, and until I find a new one, this is where I have to stay.

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[info]revar
2008-11-15 08:17 pm UTC (link)
Lets see... Can't build anything in California because of wildfire and earthquakes. Florida, the gulf coast, and the southern coastal states are completely out due to Hurricanes. Everything near a river is out due to flooding. Mountains are out due to landslides, and forest fires. Coastal areas are tsunami and/or hurricane risks. Alaska has horrible blizzards and earthquakes. Hawaii gets hurricanes, tsunamis and volcanos. The Discovery Channel has taught me that every single time a cloud passes over the midwest a tornado appears and erases a town. The pacific northwest is just waiting for Mt. Rainier to pop, and when Yellowstone blows It'll erase pretty much all of the middle of the continent, and cover the east in several feet of ash.

Umm, I think that leaves someplace in Nevada, Arizona or Utah. Oh wait. Drought, locusts, wildfires, dust storms, and 120˚F temperatures. Well fuck. Guess I have to move into Biodome2.

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[info]doodlesthegreat
2008-11-16 03:12 am UTC (link)
This pretty much says it all. Though you left off the fact that if you live in mountains anywhere, you also have to deal with earthquakes. How do people think they got there in the first place?

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Now, this is why I am evil…
[info]elrond_rambles
2008-11-15 08:57 pm UTC (link)
…every time I hear about human beings getting their butts pwned by nature I get this warm… happy… fuzzy feeling in my chest.

Just because, as far as humans go, we seem to be getting farther and farther away from the very rational fear of nature that has kept us alive for the past several thousand years. I live in a place where every summer we are inundated by tourists who are very nice and cheerful and tip well but are utterly stupid. These are the people who ask that we please "turn down the volume on the waterfalls" or "can I feed the nice bear?"* or "when do you let the deer out at night?"

Nature is vast, it is powerful, and one of the few things left that humans cannot control. Therefore when I see us getting bitchslapped by it I can't help but stifle a wry, evil cackle.

But this is just how I feel.


*Answer: NYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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Re: Now, this is why I am evil…
[info]gomer21xx
2008-11-15 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Of course, you could always tell them that bears can nom on dudes and see if they still wanna feed the bears. X3

Edited at 2008-11-15 10:14 pm UTC

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Re: Now, this is why I am evil… - [info]katheralockhart, 2008-11-16 05:22 am UTC (Expand)

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