2 ([info]2_gryphon) wrote,
@ 2008-11-13 15:23:00
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Election Thoughts and Extra Sense.
You know, I keep hearing from all kinds of people about how the Republicans are taking McCain's defeat much more maturely than the Democrats did when Bush won. About how they're whining much less than the Democrats in the same situation. Well, it's true, Democrats tend to kick up a fuss when their candidates don't get elected. And Republicans usually handle it with a lot less noise.

However, there does seem to be a prevailing attitude with a lot of McCain supporters that Obama was elected because of people who were starry-eyed and hypnotized by some superstar flash and glitter quality that Obama had. They're being arrogantly magnanimous in that they don't blame these souls for voting for such an obvious joke of a candidate because the poor idiots just couldn't help but get swept up in sensationalism and walked into the voting booths so disoriented with Obama's media purchased mind-control that they accidentally slipped and filled in the wrong circle.

They simply cannot believe that anyone who actually looked at the issues Obama stands for could possibly vote for him over McCain, so they choose to believe that Obama supporters were completely uninformed about what they were voting for.

To those who have this attitude, let me clear a few things up for you.

Just because people voted for the person you're terrified of doesn't mean they're ignorant. It means they disagree with you. Perhaps most people would rather have someone who is less experienced because it means he will have new ideas when the old ones weren't working. And perhaps there is finally a majority of people out there who are less afraid of the unknown than they are of the mapped out road we're traveling now. For whatever reason people voted for a person who frightens you, it doesn't mean they didn't know what they were doing.

You want to talk about ignorance? Let's look at the people who DIDN'T vote for Obama because he is black. Or the hillbillies who think he's a terrorist trying to take over our country because of his middle name. You want to talk about mind control? Let's talk about the people who committed suicide after Obama was elected because some douchebag preacher convinced them that he is the anti-christ.

My brother works at JCPenny. The night Obama was elected, his manager called the staff together at 1:00 in the morning for an "emergency prayer vigil" to beg God not to destroy the country. THAT'S ignorance!

So, you know... Republicans do have their own brand of whining. It might not be as loud. And it might not take to the streets with signs and protests. But it is definitely whining.

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And now... Extra Sense for show #137!

Here.
Or perhaps here.
And even possibly here!


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[info]ixly_one
2008-11-13 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Being the kind of lucky furry who lives in city where celebratory fireworks were (illegally) launched when Obama was declared President-elect... hearing these stories are like looking out of a fish bowl and into an alternate reality. =|

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[info]ixly_one
2008-11-13 09:52 pm UTC (link)
is like. ix grammars well today.

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(no subject) - [info]hesterbyrde, 2008-11-13 11:49 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]ljmitty
2008-11-13 09:58 pm UTC (link)
I work in Bullit County , KY.which is basicaly a place where Gov. Wallace and Nathan Bedford Forrest are reviered as American Icons. The night after the election was like working in a gigantic Klan Rally.

If Ignorance is truly bliss, then this is one fucking happy county.

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[info]sonious
2008-11-13 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Speaking as a centralist who remembered the 'day after' effects of the 2004 and 2008 elections I'm going to say bullshit.

I was listening to the Radio and they had people call in with their reactions. Only a few of the callers who were republican stay clear headed. The rest either brought up that he's not the first black president because he's a mallado, or that the Apocolypse was coming and we're going to go socialist, and we're going to lose the war, and all our troops are going to die.

This is NO different from Democrats in 2004 who thought we'd be turned into a dictatorship, that the draft would start back up to supply the war in Iraq.

Both sides have bitched and made exaggerations, both side have whined when losing. It's not about losing gracefully, it's understanding WHY you lost. The Democrats did that, even when their constiuents were whining, Obama figured out what Kerry lacked, and it worked.

Now, Republicans, it is your turn. You lost, you had the same initial reactions the Democrats had, "HOLY SHIT WE'RE GONNA DIE!"

But as you realize that you are wrong, and as the next election comes up if you don't do as Obama did and figure out what was wrong with his party that caused them to lose out, then you will just continue to fail.

I'll give you a free tip, make sure Sarah Palin doesn't get past the 2012 primaries.

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[info]teiru
2008-11-13 10:13 pm UTC (link)
Then again, we might get more hilariously bad Palin antics if that happens.

Oh, how I despise that woman, but at the same time she's just amusing.

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[info]teiru
2008-11-13 10:11 pm UTC (link)
"My brother works at JCPenny. The night Obama was elected, his manager called the staff together at 1:00 in the morning for an "emergency prayer vigil" to beg God not to destroy the country. THAT'S ignorance!"

Wow.

The fact that they even think God CARES about who runs America is not only ignorant, it's arrogant, because it really just seems to imply that they are the same people who think God ONLY cares about America.

Actually, I'd rant on this, but I really need to do my homework. =X And I really don't think it's worth even getting worked up about anymore.

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[info]stakkato_spider
2008-11-14 01:13 am UTC (link)
Oh, looky here! I sees a ball! *decides to pick it up and run with it*

I'm really beginning to see patriotism in this country, as practiced by conservatives, as just another idol -- no less deadly and consuming than the ones that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah chucked their babies into as sacrifices in order to get material wealth and "divine" protections. As if Iraq wasn't a perfect example of that... >_>;;

And it's true, a lot of those human foghorns on the Religious Right are speaking from a standpoint of "theocentrism" (think ethnocentrism, only with religion) when they make such claims about the U.S. "Yeah, forget about the PEOPLE in this country, all our supposedly all-loving and merciful God cares about is this intangible entity called a nation! And only THIS nation, mind you, those brown folks across the pond are fair game!"

*fumes* Ugh ... so much for not getting worked up ...

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[info]akhetnu
2008-11-13 10:15 pm UTC (link)
"Let's talk about the people who committed suicide after Obama was elected because some douchebag preacher convinced them that he is the anti-christ."

Is this a joke, or did it actually happen?

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[info]pegla
2008-11-13 11:52 pm UTC (link)
If this actually happened, and there is a judgement call, aren't they gonna feel stupid in front of their God.

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[info]lazureusfalcone
2008-11-13 11:24 pm UTC (link)
I don't know why, but I love the disclaimer.

I do hope that your country will be better off with Obama instead of the quickly destructive path that the Republicans were taking.

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[info]the_government
2008-11-13 11:24 pm UTC (link)


I thought this was one of the more interesting and revealing pieces on the right wing's reaction to Obama's victory. Republicans whine just as much if not more than Democrats, they just do it in different ways for different (read: stupider) reasons.

Speaking of the election, 2, when were you planning to upload the 2 sense special from election night? Jibba said it had been recorded.

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[info]kitstaa
2008-11-13 11:44 pm UTC (link)
NO NO NO NO!!!!!!! NO

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[info]maskedretriever
2008-11-13 11:32 pm UTC (link)
On my only LJ post about my positive feelings for Barrack Obama I got a single republican poster. Who posted, essentially,

WAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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[info]gammagray
2008-11-13 11:48 pm UTC (link)
I don't see why folks keep acting like he is the god dame messiah. We are just as fucked if not more so with him in there as if McCain had gotten it.

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-11-14 02:11 am UTC (link)
The man isn't even in office yet. He was elected less than two weeks ago. Maybe we could wait a little bit and see what he's going to do before we decide he's going to fuck the entire planet?

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[info]quentincoyote
2008-11-13 11:55 pm UTC (link)
I agree with you about Obama.

However, as far as the 2000 election goes, and Democrats being 'less mature' about it, there's the little matter of the stolen election controversy, the fact that the Supreme Court had to step in to decide it, the fact that they stopped the recount when a mere five hundred some odd votes seperated the candidates, and the fact that, in the way they did, the arguments that they used ran counter to previous supreme court precident.

It is not my intention here in this comment to get definitively into "did Bush steal the 2000 election or not", I merely point out that *whether he did or not*, there is certainly a great deal of evidence to support the notion that that could have happened, and a great many people feel that it is true.

So, naturally, they are going to have a little bit more of a problem with that, when such a 'president' takes power.

If Bush had won decisively enough in 2000 that it could have been called right there that night, with absolutely no possibility of tampering (or, at least not enough to make a difference), such as happened this year, then I would strongly suspect that Democrats as a whole would have been a lot less outraged about it.

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-11-14 01:16 am UTC (link)
The problem is, Bush did NOT win the 2000 election. More people in this country voted for Al Gore. But because we have a points system that can be completely bogus called the "electoral system", Bush was *appointed* president in spite of the fact that more people voted for Gore.

Makes me wonder what the point of a democracy is.

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[info]footpad
2008-11-13 11:59 pm UTC (link)
"Just because $DISAGREEMENT doesn't mean they're ignorant. It means they disagree with you."

While, almost in the same breath, if many people disagree with you on a significant point of linguistic interpretation then they're whining drama whores who need to grow the fuck up.

You just don't give a damn, do you? :)

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-11-14 01:17 am UTC (link)
That thing you just said, actually... makes no sense at all.

There is no "disagreement" on "linguistic interpretation". It's MY statement and I'M telling people exactly what I'm saying and what I'm not. If you disagree with that, then what you're saying is that you know better what my statement is than I do. That I'm wrong in my perception of what I just fucking said and you're right.

That's absolutely retarded.

You're just here because you're bored, aren't you?

Edited at 2008-11-14 01:22 am UTC

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[info]kell_iroya
2008-11-14 12:13 am UTC (link)
Extra sense needs to be called spare change...

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[info]dazen_cobalt
2008-11-14 12:21 am UTC (link)
Thank you 2! Thank you for being the voice of reason. I can't tell you the number of journals that I ran across talking about the end is coming, blah blah blah. Some even had the gaul to go and say that people who voted from him were not americans. What? Not to mention all of the so called terrorist links(which seem to be nothing but links of association from what I've been reading and hearing)

YAY DISCLAIMER!

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[info]atomicat
2008-11-14 12:32 am UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure this one has made the rounds and most have seen but just in case...

From [info]metaquotes
http://community.livejournal.com/metaquotes/6917660.html

January 15, 2009 - AP/REUTERS - George W. Bush Delivers Presidential Farewell Address (TRANSCRIPT)

President Bush enters conference room and approaches podium

BUSH: My fellow Americans...

President Bush spreads his arms in an encompassing gesture

BUSH: THE ARISTOCRATS!

But this is not about the past, this is about the glorious future! Soon you will all march lock-step with your Canadian comrades! We have your gay husbands and wives already picked out for you, ready and waiting! Your government-assigned doctor will take a little longer unfortunately, sorry.

To all those with half a brain or more who will be talking to those who have none, remind them that there are some countries in the world that are doing just marvy, and a lot of them are a hell of a lot more socialist than Canada. Well it's time to listen to the news on our version of Pravda, the CBC. Then I'd better finish sewing up that new pair of winter gloves I'm making, before the socialism!

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[info]bush_rat
2008-11-14 02:32 am UTC (link)
Hey! I'm still waiting to marry that Gay Wolf that was promised to me during the last election! Where is he already?!

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[info]doodlesthegreat
2008-11-14 01:17 am UTC (link)
There's been plenty of whining from the right (check out the Confurvatives LJ for rank hilarity), but what really gets me is the state of denial the GOP has adopted. Republicans (with the exception of a handful with brains like P.J. O'Rourke), have blamed this on any number of things, and none of them involve looking in the mirror.

All I can say is: Victory is sweet.

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[info]ta11yhawk
2008-11-14 01:18 am UTC (link)
The disclaimer is priceless!

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-11-14 02:07 am UTC (link)
Yeah well, look up a few responses. It already hasn't worked. Big surprise. I'm becoming convinced that there is simply no way to idiot-proof anything. Even words.

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[info]umbravulpis
2008-11-14 01:41 am UTC (link)
I didn't see any huge reactions one way or the other the day after, offline at least. The only person who even talked to me about it the day after agreed with me on the two points I would actually talk to her about.

1. It doesn't matter who voted for whom since the election is over.
2. We really needed either the House or Senate to be Republican. No matter how good Obama may or may not be, he needs someone to tug his leash now and then.

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-11-14 02:06 am UTC (link)
And I agree completely with point 2. Democrats are wonderful with taking a broader, less biased view of how people should be treated. But Republicans are the ones who usually have the best ideas. We really need both to make the country work the best it can.

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[info]rum_pirate_sc
2008-11-14 01:44 am UTC (link)
I swear to the gods if I hear another person who was against Obama call him the "massiah" again.. >.<

This above all has been pissing me off. I know a few peeps who are so very against Obama and go off how those who voted for him claim him to be the massiah.

To be honest, the only people I have *ever* seen liken the guy to that are those who are against him.

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[info]runemist34
2008-11-14 02:37 am UTC (link)
Wow, I didn't realize people actually did that. Seriously, praying to god that he not destroy the country? I'm sorry, but if 'god' were to decide he was going to destroy the country, I think that he would have done it well before the election of Obama (or however many hours later that they started praying) and, I would hope, for a much better reason than people exercising their right to free will.
On the other hand, I wish some of the Canadians would take a page from all the Americans who did vote for Obama...we could really use some change of government up here!

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[info]foxtrack
2008-11-14 03:36 am UTC (link)
if people want to believe in things that are not true, let them, if people want to kill their selves over obama being president in a couple of months, then by all means, please do, less stupid to breed. For my self, I voted for ron paul because of his ideas and such. I was never much of a fan of obama, not because he is black or a democrat, but because of his policies and ideas just were not what I was looking for in a presidential leader. though i admit I think he is a better choice over McCane and deffently the possibility of Ms. Palin taking over if McCane passed on while in office. what my main issues with this election was the prop 8 here in california. that was a lot more important issue to me than who was going to be president because as I see it, doesn't matter who gets in office. there will be eather a big problem, or a small problem, and never a complete solution.

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-11-14 07:58 am UTC (link)
Hey, look at it this way... At least Mit Romney was nowhere close.

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[info]zelox_quo
2008-11-14 03:47 am UTC (link)
Well, as far as I have observed (over the pond) there are numerous Republicans who are taking it badly. Yes, there may be less noise, but those few overall who are commenting are doing so loudly. Some even claming, somehow, that the election was rigged and Obama cheated.

But, meh, an aside to the points made. Since it is just reaffirming what you have stated.

However, the 'idiot proof' of your statements will not work, while a good and entertaining effort indeed. Humanity is going this way, drawing what conclusions they want from the message and ignoring any warning. A good and somewhat frustrating example of this are the constant warning labels added to items/objects now-a-days. A hairdryer will have 'do not put in water' or even 'do not put in bathtub', heaters with 'do not rest flammable material on the heater' essentially. But, people still do what they want regardless of any warning issued.

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Note of warning: Use of the words people and humanity in the above statement, may or may not refer to you as a person. There is not any insinuation that all of humanity or all of the people who read this are to blame for the stupidity of warnings issued. If you believe the above statements refer to you individually, maybe you should start thinking rather than acting.
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[info]mbluewolf
2008-11-14 03:56 am UTC (link)
This is more on the Extra Sense than the other stuff, but this is yet another time that I heard that weird voice thing. Is this a tease about something going to happen with 2 Sense? I suspect something. I'll be watching you, Mr. Gryphon. *Points and watches without blinking.*

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-11-14 08:00 am UTC (link)
Hmmmmmm...

Perhaps some form of foreshadowing?

Nah, probably not.

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(no subject) - [info]mbluewolf, 2008-11-14 05:24 pm UTC (Expand)
Edsel the Music Hipster
[info]weirdedsel
2008-11-14 04:32 am UTC (link)
I love the way Stevie Wonder's "Signed Sealed Delivered I'm Yours" makes use of two independent drum tracks panned hard to the left and right. It makes me happy when songs make good use of the stereo spectrum without sounding too jarring. And that song is one of the most perfect pop songs I've ever heard. Great melody, wonderful hooks, and most of all TAMBOURINE!

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Re: Edsel the Music Hipster
[info]djynnflyssa
2008-11-14 05:07 am UTC (link)
You're a tambourine.

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Re: Edsel the Music Hipster - [info]2_gryphon, 2008-11-14 08:02 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Edsel the Music Hipster - [info]chi_baka, 2008-11-15 04:10 am UTC (Expand)
Who knows
[info]arashim
2008-11-14 04:55 am UTC (link)
Im a neutral when it comes to voting. I look at what both the dems and the republicans have to offer and make my decision from there. I will say that I voted for McCain. However Im not upset that obama won. I tend to look on the bright side of things. If he does good more power to him.

-Josh

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Re: Who knows
[info]2_gryphon
2008-11-14 08:05 am UTC (link)
To be honest, my aversion to the Republican candidate this time around wasn't nearly as bad as when it was Bush. I have to say I *could* have voted for McCain. I did like a lot of his ideas.

Problem is, I liked Obama's sense of morality better. And he does have a lot of good ideas himself. And of course, the final thing that pushed me over to his side... Sarah Palin should *never* be anywhere near the Presidency. Ever. :)

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Re: Who knows - [info]formula_fox, 2008-11-18 03:24 am UTC (Expand)

[info]woyro
2008-11-14 05:55 am UTC (link)
after Obama is sworn in, i will enjoy telling the righties that "if you dont support the president in a time of war...you're not a patriot".

and during McCain's consession speech he thanked Palin family and their 5 lovely children. all i could think of was..."no...3 lovely children, one retard and one little tramp who hasnt been taught how to keep her legs together".

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[info]stakkato_spider
2008-11-14 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Wow ... thanks for those wonderful bits of insight. >_>

Honestly, it was bad enough living with conservatives displaying that kind of self-righteous attitude, and doing it back to them now is only going to justify in their own minds the "rightness" of their own behavior. What we need to be doing is just as Mr. Obama has promised to do in his acceptance speech (though whether it happens is not yet certain) -- work with those others within the political spectrum instead of throwing them under the bus. "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."

As far as that second comment goes ... I think I'd better shy away from that, lest I ignite a megaton warhead of drama throughout the internet ...

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