2 ([info]2_gryphon) wrote,
@ 2008-10-26 13:32:00
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More details about last night.
So, now that I'm finally regaining my coherence, I'll start at the beginning. And I think this is something that everyone should pay attention to because it's something that is affecting the whole fur fandom...

I went to the furmeet in London, where I had a couple of beers. Afterwards, I went to the place the after party and my performance was to take place. I ordered another beer and drank it slowly, leaving it unattended on more than one occasion and coming back to it later.

At time for my performance, I felt coherant and ready for the show, pleasantly buzzed because of the beer. I started my material. Someone brought up two shots that other people had gotten for me and I drank them.

That is the last thing I remember about the evening. I don't remember doing my show, getting off stage, travelling back to my hotel or getting into bed. I went from being coherant to being nearly comatose in a span of twenty minutes.

My condition was apparently so obviously wrong that Rapido called the police and an ambulance from just observing me. The opinions of both departments was that I had been intentionally poisoned, possibly by a date rape drug or other kind of "roofie".

Some people have written to me, concerned that I looked a bit depressed or sad after the show I gave. They figure I was disappointed in the audience. The fact is, I have no idea. I simply don't remember. However, what you were probably seeing was the effects of the drug someone slipped me.

Now... this is the part I want to make clear.

Yes, whoever did this is a douchbag. But a good part of what happened is MY fault. *I* was being a dumbass. I was accepting drinks from people I didn't know and I was leaving my drinks unattended, open for anyone to do anything to them. I fell into the mistake of being too trusting to people I didn't know. This isn't the fandom that it used to be. It's a mistake to simply trust someone who calls themself a fur these days. Furries can be just as mean, hateful and cruel as anyone else. And I think this is an important thing to remember.

As it happens, today I also learned that there was a con in the US -- Oklacon -- where a friend of mine and another person also got roofied and dangerously ill. It happened on the same night it happened to me. There was also a similar incident at this past AnthroCon.

It's important to realize that if this can happen to me, it can happen to any of you. It's becoming a real problem in the fandom, and is probably a result of the gay and raver night club scenes converging into the fandom. It's a problem that I believe needs to be addressed by con staffs and kept in the mind of furries everywhere.

However, there is a simple solution. This kind of thing could never happen if you do the thing I DIDN'T do and just be sensible. Don't accept drinks from people you don't know. Be safe and use your head. If what happened to me has any value at all, it's a good example of what can happen to you if you're reckless and unsafe when at any event of this kind. Don't let this kind of thing ruin your good time. Be sensible and safe.

This has not caused me any bad feelings toward England or the Brit furs at all. What I said about not coming back again... I was just very angry at the time. I'll return if the furs want me here again.

In short, the the fact is I was being stupid and I had this coming. I was
practically asking for it. I'm so used to accepting drinks from people I don't know that it's a miracle this didn't happen to me a long time ago. So don't be angry with the person who did it. It was really my own lack of responsibility that caused it and it was a big wake up call for me.

However, I shall continue to go to cons and furmeets and entertain where I can. If I were to let this scare me into stopping, then the bastard would have won. I will have a few new rules about drinking at these events, but other than that, nothing will change.


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[info]kuddlepup
2008-10-26 05:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you're ok pal. And I think it's terrible that things like this can happen.

The upside (if there is one) is that you're safe, and folks can learn from it.

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[info]katheralockhart
2008-10-26 09:27 pm UTC (link)
same here, I gasped in horror when I read your last post and saw the term poisoned, but I am glad your feeling better today *hugs and scritches* anyways, while I do hope they catch the fucker who poisoned you, I am glad that you learned from this, because I myself would never accept a drink from someone who I do not know, even if its just a soft drink, because I don't know if they spiked it or not and its not worth the risk, I would have to be pretty damned desperate for a drink of anykind to risk it, and when I say desperate, I mean very dehydrated and in dire need of fluids, so I am glad that your feeling better, and I do hope to finally meet you some day :D.

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[info]corelog
2008-10-26 05:40 pm UTC (link)
Can I buy you a beer if you get to watch the barkeep pour it from the tap? :) Because I understand the need to safeguard one's drinks (we had somebody repeatedly contaminating the water at the RainFurrest dances this year with a green gelatinous substance), but I'd still like to buy you a beer sometime.

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-10-26 05:43 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I'll still allow that. Mainly, my new rule is no drinks from anyone I don't know unless they get it from a bar and I'm watching it happen. :)

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[info]kralle_lion
2008-10-26 05:42 pm UTC (link)
*offers you a bottle of water*

Get well again, want to see you at EF next year :)

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[info]raverfunx
2008-10-26 05:50 pm UTC (link)
I love how most furries have the illusion that nothing bad ever happens in the fandom, all furries are trustworthy. not saying you, but more some of the people replying. it's kind of silly really. there is no 'safe haven' in the world

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[info]aydin_e
2008-10-26 06:23 pm UTC (link)
I fully agree with this comment.

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[info]catwoman69y2k.insanejournal.com
2008-10-26 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Funny thing is, I have had fellow furs look at me funny when they see me reluctant to leave my drink unattended. One person once asked me why I was so paranoid. I said "Im street smart. Do you think that just cuz Im with furs tonight that there isnt a chance that someone slips something in my drink?" Maybe as a woman I have had to be more careful about that thing but I just think it should be easy to understand it as "common sense".

Honestly, Im really beside myself to hear that this is a growing trend. I honestly think that its wrong and it can make the victim feel violated. Im only grateful that you have taken responsibility for the part that you could of prevented rather than let the hate you felt in the last entry be the way you continue to feel.

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[info]eenyuwolf
2008-10-26 06:26 pm UTC (link)
wow, that's really scary! I'm glad to know that you pulled out alright.

This is really saddening to hear about, especially since I just recently got heavily into the furry scene, my first con was FCN and that was amazing and now I already have MFF, FCN '09, and AC '09 in the planning stages. I really hope that this isn't a trend that will grow because I want my next cons to be just as great as FCN was. Especially since I'm a rather small girl it's a little unsettling. Good thing I know I found a good group of friends to hang with.

But I'm certainly glad to hear that you aren't going to let this indecent stop you, I would have been disappointing to never see you live again, that was definitely a highlight of FCN! So take care and thanks for the updates on this so we can all watch out for ourselves in the future!

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[info]tashabear
2008-10-26 11:41 pm UTC (link)
You have to take the same precautions in the furry fandom as in any large crowd. There are assholes in every crowd.

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[info]kandrel
2008-10-26 06:34 pm UTC (link)
I've abstained from commmenting up until now, because I felt my words would fall on deaf ears. 2, I'm truly sorry for what happened, and I disagree with you. It's not your fault that this happened. This isn't behavior I expect of furs, or to be honest, of any other human being.

However, you've always struck me as a pragmatist, rather than an idealist. I hope that this doesn't jade you further on the furry culture, as flawed as it is. If anything, I hope your future care is the last step you'll need to take to ensure your own safety.

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-10-26 06:45 pm UTC (link)
The way I see it is that the best way to handle this is to not allow it to change the way I do things. To allow it to change me or the way I feel about the fandom would be letting this slime win. I'm not going to let some little asshat change who I am or what I do. I'm just walking away with a valuable lesson.

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[info]selinshoras
2008-10-26 06:35 pm UTC (link)
You could get a tox screen and make sure nothing else is wrong?

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-10-26 06:46 pm UTC (link)
Naw, I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong. It's all pretty much worn off at this point and I'm feeling nearly normal again.

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[info]starspiritgate
2008-10-26 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Weirdoes are weirdoes the world over, sadly...

You're lucky you had Rapido watching out for you. The next bugger this happens to might not. :/

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[info]cedar_musketeer
2008-10-26 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Well, if I make it to Megaplex again this year, I'll get you another Keg like I did last time. The expression on your face when I brought that up was priceless.

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[info]warsawkook
2008-10-26 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Jeezus H, that's some SCARY stuff right there. I'm glad you're all right and will gladly eviscerate whatever kumquat does that to ANYONE should I ever catch wind of it.

But don't lay so much blame on yourself. It's true that in this day and age you can NEVER be too careful - and you're definitely dead on with "it could happen to ANYONE"... but shoot man, when you're amongst comrades - known or NOT - you should be able to do something as simple as lay a drink down on a table for a few minutes without having to stare at it every second. When you're a guest you should be able to expect the bare minimal hospitality, even if that boils down to mere safety.

Welcome to the new world, I suppose... regardless of who the blame may lie upon - I'm glad you're all right, man.

And to the REST OF YOU:
Call me a drunkard and a glutton, I will not deny - but you just do NOT screw with a man's food or drink. If few things in life are sacred, the ability to consume is one of them. Don't be an asshole.

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[info]katheralockhart
2008-10-26 09:44 pm UTC (link)
I completely agree, there is no reason why one couldn't be able to drink and be merry amongst comrads without worrying that some cockbite might poison your food and/or drink and give it to you, but in this day and age, it happens, I can also agree that you just do not screw with another mans food or drink, if someone fucks around with my meal, if I survive the effects, I would personally hunt the wanker down and rip his balls off and eat them while he watched in horror, I can guarrantee that he will not do it again after that.

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[info]wingywoof
2008-10-26 06:48 pm UTC (link)
That's pretty fucked up man. I'm glad to hear you're OK.

I hadn't heard about this type of thing happening at other cons before. Hopefully more awareness on everyone's part will prevent future incidents.

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[info]divitus
2008-10-26 06:49 pm UTC (link)
sadly beeing another american here in the UK fur sceen ive seen this group here go through the good and bad outside and in. Im sorry for what happend to you. Your performance seemed a lil off but for what was going on I must admit you did a decent job goin on autopilot. that and well the idea of a dead 2 .. crap that would suck. well get well hope to catch a performance in the states.

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[info]wyattkelly
2008-10-26 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Good God...Adric and I were stunned when we read your posting. I'm glad you got through this mostly unscathed, and just shake our heads in disgust over how horribly some folks find their 'fun.' Good luck, and get plenty of clear fluids!

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[info]eccentricfurry
2008-10-26 06:57 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you're okay! And if we ever do figure out who did this crap to you, rest assured that the Army of Doom you want so badly will finally pull together and beat the ever-loving Sh** out of the little pansy-pants who wanted to do this to you >.>

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[info]shiny_puppy
2008-10-26 06:57 pm UTC (link)
I'm not certain they have words to describe how well beyond fucked up this is. What the hell did they think was going to happen when they slipped you stuff? Either they're so desperate to fuck you that it wouldn't matter if you were passed out or they really wanted to do things in which case filing an attempted murder change wouldn't be that unreasonable an idea. The fucktardary abounds in this instance, why can't people just not act like fuck ups?, it doesn't seem like that hard an a concept to grasp.

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[info]ta11yhawk
2008-10-26 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Okay. This is one of those places where we are going to disagree. It was NOT your fault this happened. It was the fault of the asshole(s) that spiked your drink. I am sick to death of this trend where the victim is victimized twice. First by the actual crime and second by taking on the guilt "it was my fault." Were you too trusting given the crapy state of humanity these days? Apparently. Was it your fault someone took advantage of your trust? No. There should be a concerted effort to locate those responsible and throw them in jail to be Bubba's bunk mates for a few years.

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[info]apoidea
2008-10-26 08:15 pm UTC (link)
I was thinking the same thing. Its a good idea to be watchful for bad situations, but the only the people who commit the wrongdoing are to blame for it. Blaming the victim does nothing to prevent people from doing wrong again

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[info]draike
2008-10-26 07:02 pm UTC (link)
Don't completely blame yourself, 2. You shouldn't have to be wary of creepy people slipping stuff in your drinks. No one should. It's unfortunate that we have to in this world, but you're still a victim in this case.

I hope the fucker has the decency to apologize to you, or that you can press charges against him.

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[info]d_raven
2008-10-27 07:50 am UTC (link)
Just like the "Why should we have to lock our doors?"

You shouldn't have to lock your doors, people should just not steal shit from your house, unfortunatly, we live in a world where doors must be locked :/

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[info]rockwolf
2008-10-26 07:05 pm UTC (link)
I've been lucky, I guess. I always forget to watch my drinks. With GHB so easily available to order online, drink spiking is becoming more and more common...and with that stuff, if someone has been drinking heavily, it can easily kill them.

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[info]skippyfox
2008-10-26 08:58 pm UTC (link)
"With GHB so easily available to order online"

This intrigues me greatly. Can you please tell me more about this? It doesn't have to be here - you can email me if you like at skippy@sk1p.com

I've encountered the dangers of GHB in the past. I'm wondering if maybe all of these incidents at furry cons are related to the same drug...

Thanks!

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[info]bonesolteradyne
2008-10-26 07:14 pm UTC (link)
This is one reason why I'll never be seen around alcohol, with the other being that just the smell makes me extremely sick.

I'm glad to hear you're okay. Maybe you could turn this situation into one hell of a comedy segment on 2 Sense or Extra Sense. Turning a bad situation into a good one usually help with any leftover frustration.

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[info]babsbunny
2008-10-27 04:08 am UTC (link)
Even if you don't drink, it's always a good idea to guard your beverage carefully. I don't drink at all, but nevertheless, I never leave what I'm drinking unattended, even if it's just pop.

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[info]shadowedxrunes
2008-10-26 07:16 pm UTC (link)
if you ever appear at the LF meets again i'll be sure to give you something more than a sketch, i'm glad to hear your feeling abit better, and darky has some photos for you too i think :)

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[info]shadesfox
2008-10-26 07:25 pm UTC (link)
Just a personal opinion but, I think we should be pissed at the guy who did it too. You were at fault too, but this could not have happened if two people had not fucked up.

It really is time for everyone to realize that not everyone in the furry fandom is your friend, and this really is okay. It is too big for that.

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[info]akirashima
2008-10-26 07:26 pm UTC (link)
You know i usually feel left out and kinda sad since i cannot drink at all. Allergic and diabetic. very bad combo to such a thing. but now perhaps it is a much better thing for me anyway.

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[info]ikariyalter
2008-10-26 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Well it's good to hear that you are feeling somewhat better now, and I am glad that our britfur reputation hasn't been tarnished too much, but you shouldn't beat yourself up about it. I'm a very trusting person myself and I know I've been taken advantage of a few times (not physically), but it's my nature to be trusting and while I feel it is partially my fault is mostly the fault of the person doing it. They know it's bad, but they want something out of it.

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[info]mix_hyenataur
2008-10-26 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Reminds me when someone I know sabotaged my costumed with some powder I was allergic to, at a con.

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