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@ 2008-06-30 19:21:00
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Who would have thought?
Ok, this is not my official AnthroCon post. Not yet, anyway. I'm actually still here! Many people left today, but there are more scragglers around still than the total member base of many other conventions. I'll wait until I'm home to do my, "OMG, AnthroCon rocked" post.

For now, I offer you a very interesting story from this weekend.

Without mentioning any names, a high level Anthrocon staff member told me a story this morning.

See, the Westin hotel frowns on room parties. If there are noise complaints, they don't like that very much and they'll send security to the room to shut them down.

However... Unofficially, the rule is, if your party is quiet enough that no one complains, then who's going to know?

Well, this year, there was a certain "group" of furs who made it a point to advertise the fact that they were going to have a party. They didn't hide it at all. They sent word out and rigged it to where the people in the rooms next to them wouldn't complain about the noise from their party.

Once the party was going, a lot of people stopped by -- some staff members and even some of the Dorsai. They all said it was a really well-run party. Not too noisy. And everyone seemed to be having a very good time.

The person who told me this story had a lot of booze and passed out. When he woke up, the party was winding down. He said that at that time, he saw the people who were throwing the party doing a very strange thing. They were actually picking up garbage in the room. They put it all in garbage bags and set them neatly against a wall. Another fur then got out a portable sweeper and began going over the carpet, picking up little bits. And yet another fur started spraying disinfectant over the surfaces and wiping them down.

By the time they were finished, the room was sparkling. It's as if no one had even been in the room. In fact, my source said, it was even cleaner than when they checked in. He said the maids should have given THEM a tip.

Well... needless to say, I was impressed. You don't often see a furry party that is so clean and respectful to the hotel. I know there are many fur party groups out there with names or logos, so I asked the staff member if this group had a name, so that I could remember to attend their party next year.

He said, "Yes, they have a name."

"Well, what is it?" I asked.

"It was the babyfurs."

...I was absolutely floored.

Credit where credit is due. Congratulations to the babyfurs. You've made a very positive impression on a lot of people this weekend.


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[info]axelwolf
2008-06-30 11:53 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, you don't see furs doing this at fur cons. Because most fur cons I have heard about have parties where it got trashed and had security to end it. Like the Frozen Oasis party at the Westin last year. Police actually came up to end the party when it was getting out of control. But I am glad to see some furs actually care about taking care and cleaning up after themselves. I have to give the babyfurs credit for this.

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[info]d_bandit
2008-07-01 02:45 am UTC (link)
*facepaws* Spread wild rumors much? The Frozen Oasis party did NOT get out of control and, in fact, also had AC staff in attendance shortly before getting shut down. Rumor has it that a certain unnamed AC official with an ego problem couldn't stand the competition so had the party shut down after manufacturing complaints of noise issues. The hotel continues, to this day, to insist that it never had an issue with the party and never received any complaints. Go figure.

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[info]the_bassman
2008-06-30 11:56 pm UTC (link)
If the Westin for MFF doesn't allow parties, I think I'll be happier at the overflow hotels. Also I admit, I'm often like the Babyfurs when it comes to keeping hotel rooms clean, kudos to them! When you're a travelling carney, you often have to keep the hotel room clean if you want to be welcome there the next year, that's why most travelling carnivals have bunkhouses nowadays!

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[info]wayahpuppy
2008-07-01 12:10 am UTC (link)
There are morons everywhere. Babyfurs have been getting a bum rap for the mistakes of a select few. It is about time that people realize that there are actually some kewl, caring people in that group. And the party rocked btw.

Hugs
Wayah

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[info]vulpixnine
2008-07-01 12:21 am UTC (link)
That... is... unbelieveable!

Wow... is this... the sign of the end of the world? *runs and hides*

Though, I got to say, if that is completely one hundred precent true, then maybe they are not as bad as other furs make them to be. Sure, you will have your bad apples. Maybe a good portion, but groups like this one stand out. I can respect a person's decision to do as they please. Though, it makes me happy when they consider the feelings of the other guest members. That is quite a tale 2, and I have learned a lesson today. Don't believe everything that you hear about baby furs.

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[info]knuxie_fawks
2008-07-01 01:55 pm UTC (link)
It's like all of us furries in general. There are those that act like fools and bring bad press, and make the rest of us look bad. I have heard some horror stories about babyfurs, and I've heard many rumors. I was pleased to find from spending 3 days with babyfurs that none of those rumors are true. Everything was kept very sanitary. The cleaning ladies didn't have to lift a finger on any of the three rooms which made up the Cub Hub.

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[info]lilpup
2008-07-01 12:24 am UTC (link)
Thanks 2. We aren't all like the stereotype :-) Glad you had a good con... I did as well :-)

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[info]raverfunx
2008-07-01 12:29 am UTC (link)
I always found it quite hypocritical how much the fandom rips on the babyfur community, all whist turning around and complaining about how the outside world treats furries. It's the same tree, different branch. Of course there are rotten apples, but don't let a couple rotten ones ruin the rest of the batch...

...However don't get me started on the maids. If you ask me, they are some incredibly incompetent people. Also hypocritical to charge people 50 bucks for 'extra dirty' rooms, when they barely do their job in the first place.

But that could be just me bitching :P

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[info]lepkitty
2008-07-01 12:35 am UTC (link)
YES!!! thanks you FoxCub and every one else! its about time people started giving us babyfurs credit where its due! you guys all rock! :D

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[info]antixx
2008-07-01 12:38 am UTC (link)
That's pretty cool of them. Maybe I can do the same next year if I actually manage to get a room at the Weston. Oh yeah 2 you were quite awesome this past weekend. You made my first con well worth the trip. Even though I was the only dumbass to stand up when you said republicans during your show.

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-07-01 08:23 am UTC (link)
Naw, I heard a few people out there say, "Yeah" to the Republican question. Of course, I can understand why a lot of Republicans wouldn't like my comedy with as much dumping as I do on Bush. But in the end, it's all about having fun. And I'd never dislike a person based on their political affiliation alone.

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[info]gas_mask_dragon
2008-07-01 12:48 am UTC (link)
People whom rip on babyfurs are worse then the babyfurs themselfs, because most of the time it's just because "IT'S GROSS". And thats not a complete excuse. I don't mind if you rip on a single babyfur or two who goes out of their way to bring it into everyones faces, but the ones who rip on babyfurs ONLY because thats what they are need to just leave the fandom IMO.

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[info]vulpixnine
2008-07-01 01:05 am UTC (link)
How would you define "rip"? I mean, I wouldn't go to a baby fur party mainly cause I don't like that sort of thing. Plus, it is their party, they do what they want to enjoy. I am not stopping them, but I am not going to fully support it by joining in. And yes, not doing something because "it is gross", is a complete reason. Why do most people not eat worms? Answer: They think it is gross. They do not enjoy the grossness that is eating worms. I do not enjoy the messyness that is pooing my pants. I also do not enjoy the smell that is someone pooing their pants. If you like pooing your pants, just don't do it in the public eye since it will be, pardon the pun, poo poo'd upon.

What people need to do, is actually research and see that baby furs are not just furs that poo their pants. They are furs that want to be cared for by what seems to be a mother figure, as well as a dominate sexual thing. The other part is just part of having someone take care of you and trusting them to take care of you. It is almost the ultimate bond. Again, I would not do that. That is just not my thing. Though even you have to admit, there have been bad baby fur stories. It stinks that many people will look down on a group because of those stories, but it is the same for all people the look down on us furries for all the horror stories about us.

Sadly, very few stupid people are going to change. Though, if baby furs continue to show that they are not at all the stereotype that they never clean after themselves, etc. then people will start treating them differently. I mean, even the media of the non-furries have changed over the years. Not as much as we would like, but it is a step in the right direction at least with the good reports where they actually don't take just the bad of the fandom.

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[info]furlock_the_666
2008-07-01 01:09 am UTC (link)
Aye...I was at the party. You're welcome, 2. We're not all a bunch of pants-shitting morons. Some of us ACTUALLY have some tact. I made it a point to remind my friends NOT to get too carried away with the whole baby thing, as smells tend to permeate into the hallway. They agreed.

I will say this, 2...this journal is quite the compliment. It means a lot, especially since it came from you.

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[info]invaderluca
2008-07-01 01:17 am UTC (link)

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[info]sonious
2008-07-01 01:10 am UTC (link)
It's great to see furs doing this no matter the group their in. I hope they did it as something they'd normally do, and not for political purposes. It'd be sad if the group was delved into such a corner that they have to start with doing such things as a damage control.

Still it's great to hear that the children of the fandom clean up their messes, now lets hope the adults follow suit.

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[info]obonic
2008-07-01 01:24 am UTC (link)
haha cool!

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[info]theflamecrow
2008-07-01 01:54 am UTC (link)
I wasn't expecting that at all O.o

Wow lol, awesome :D

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[info]zalno
2008-07-01 02:03 am UTC (link)
It's as you said, man. Not everyone of any group is anything. :)

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[info]obsidianbladed
2008-07-01 02:04 am UTC (link)
Thanks for saying hi to me in the lobby that first morning... ^^

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[info]thrashbear
2008-07-01 02:11 am UTC (link)
This is the kind of validation that dozens of babyfurs have been working so hard to attain. It's a shame that we had to work for it at all, but we had to overcome some of the asshats that made our jobs that much more difficult. Cleaning up after ourselves is actually a common thing, or we leave a VERY nice tip if housekeeping beats us to it.

Ironic, isn't it? The ones with the reputation of being the most immature in the fandom, are the ones that throw the most responsible parties. Where I come from, we call that *go figure*.

Next time, hopefully we'll see you there in the fur (feather? flesh?) and show you personally how the babyfurs do it. You've been one of our biggest and most vocal critics over the years, but some of us would consider it an honor to hoist a drink with you on our turf.

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-07-01 08:38 am UTC (link)
"You've been one of our biggest and most vocal critics over the years"

I have been critical of babyfurs in the past, I will admit. But not so much lately. I've had too many well-spoken, intelligent individuals from the group come and speak to me specifically to offer explanations or simply to answer my questions and confront my experiences with the more undesirable elements of the subculture.

I can see a very definite effort being made in many places by the babyfurs to change their image, and that really says something.

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[info]straycat_74
2008-07-01 02:21 am UTC (link)
like... wow. I've heard a like of rip about the babyfurs.

personally, you wanna act like a little kid, whatever.
one word on diapers: Icky.
more words: every person spends the first few years of their lives in them, then we grow out of them for good reason.

I see the whole diaper thing in the same light I see gay flamers. you wanna flame, go right ahead, I don't need to see it.
I have nothing against gay, and I consider myself Half gay as it is (bi) but flaming? that kind of "in Your Face" gayness...

oops, tangent, sorry.

Way to go Babyfurs for cleaning up. Woots you.

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[info]straycat_74
2008-07-01 02:26 am UTC (link)
Oh, 2. When can we expect the next 2-sence show? I'm missing my furry-crack here!

make wit the verbage! we'z needz our lolz!

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[info]the_twf
2008-07-01 02:26 am UTC (link)
I would say "In b4 Snob Raeg" but I'm guessing they'll be less of it around now that you've expressed approval of something they did.

Note that if someone copied word for word that, it wouldn't have the same effect. Enjoy yer lost sleep.

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[info]natashasoftpaw
2008-07-01 02:53 am UTC (link)
Wow, this was unexpected praise, thanks 2! We really appreciate the kind words, and the news that housekeeping was so please with our cleaning job; I was really worried this morning that they'd hate us for having so much trash (despite it being bagged up and in one place) :-P

To be honest, I'm a bit surprised that this is such a rarity, though it doesn't explain why the Westin has the policy they do regarding room parties. Personally, I couldn't imagine not leaving a room in near-perfect condition at checkout, and the other head staff of this party feel the same way.

But yeah, each party we had (there were three total, one of which was public, but all were comparable in size) was followed by an hour or two of cleaning, plus several hours of frantic cleaning and packing this morning (thank god for late checkout!). I assumed that would be the last thing anyone noticed, but this really makes a great end to a great con.

On behalf of the Cub Hub head staff (there are four of us), we say "thank you" from the bottom of our hearts for the kind words. We hope/plan to do this next year, and the party you're referring to is definitely not babyfur-specific (in case you weren't aware), or even particularly babyfur-inclined (hence the public advertising we did). So, consider yourself invited at AC 2009, if you care to drop by, I'm told we had some awesome drinks :-)


-Felix Softpaw, Fox_Cub, Teddy, and Blithe
Head Staff Team for The Cub Hub

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[info]2_gryphon
2008-07-01 08:47 am UTC (link)
Well, don't let me lead your perceptions astray here. I actually have no word on what the cleaning staff of the hotel actually thought. It probably bugs them just to have to toss out a used paper cup.

But I can tell you that some of the staff of AnthroCon, the Dorsai and members of the convention were certainly surprised and impressed by the conduct at the party and how well it was cleaned up... And in some cases they were impressed even without knowing it was being held by babyfurs. They were impressed that FURS were being so responsible with their party.

I'd definitely say that you not only exceeded the expectations one would have of babyfurs, but of the fur community in general.

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[info]coemgen_brenagh
2008-07-01 02:55 am UTC (link)
Yay for the babyfurs!! (and us caretakers too)

fox_cub, firefoxbc, teddymd, skritchwolf (sp), felix_j, lilpup and a few others who were there made darn well sure that the room was immaculate before going to bed. DaddyGoliath helped us until he and tigeristiger had to go home. I myself was there as a "caretaker in training", and was positively influenced on how careful the situation was monitored. Kudos go to where they are deserved

Thanks 2...

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[info]foxen_alopex
2008-07-01 03:47 am UTC (link)
Awaiting en masse one-eighty of opinion because it's cool to do so.

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[info]arrowtwolf
2008-07-01 04:33 am UTC (link)
u suck

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[info]babyfurbobcat
2008-07-01 04:49 am UTC (link)
us Babyfurs should have alot of experience in cleaning up after ourselfs :P
Its Nice To know there are people out there helping to show that yes, we may be the ickiest most immature looking Furs in the fandom, But at least we have the decency to keep it to our selfs and clean up afterwards :P

See, its things like this that make me wish I could go to a furcon one of these days

Its about time somebody set a good example for us ^.^

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[info]thrashbear
2008-07-01 05:09 am UTC (link)
"Its about time somebody set a good example for us ^.^"

It's more like "It's about time somebody fucking NOTICED".

We've been trying to set the example for years, but more often than not it would take ONE negative incident (sometimes by a non-babyfur claiming he is one) to wipe away all the hard work we put forth in making that example.

I wasn't there this year, believe me I wish I was, but I am not surprised about this considering the effort they put into parties in the past.

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[info]rumple_chan
2008-07-01 06:15 am UTC (link)
Remind me if they, the babyfurs, ever attend FurterConfusion or CaliFur sometimes, because I like to see that kind of party O_O

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[info]natashasoftpaw
2008-07-01 06:58 am UTC (link)
Actually, the party he's referring to first debuted at FC '08, and went over very well with both staff and attendees there, too. So, doing it at FC '09 is pretty much a given, as well as next AC. There may be one at MFF, too, keep an eye on the bulletin boards for our big, colourful signs ;-)

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[info]mirawais
2008-07-01 06:39 am UTC (link)
Nice! I had no clue the Westin frowned on room parties. BTW your comedy routine was the best I have ever seen from you. I would have been on the floor laughing if I didn't have someone to catch me. :)

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[info]zypher_kun
2008-07-01 06:52 am UTC (link)
Or are they just trying to get you to let your guards down for NEXT AC? Who knows what evil is being plotted xD

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